Cathedral gets hysterical: Mark Shea’s latest hit piece

The Cathedral gets hysterical.  Check out Christian Cultural Marxist Mark Shea’s new hit piece.

Love Nick Land’s tweet on Shea’s post:

“… open white supremacist filth … racist white supremacy garbage … racist poison … bullshit” — he argues.

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12 thoughts on “Cathedral gets hysterical: Mark Shea’s latest hit piece

  1. These people are morons. I used to care about arguing with them and getting some kind of acknowledgment but I think I’m past that now. They are getting the world they wanted, I hope they enjoy it.

  2. In other words the Cathedral really is becoming “the Cathedral.”

    I may be wrong. If I’m not, conservative Catholics are in for a very, VERY rough ride.

    The Patriarch of Rome embraced universalism way back when he decided just being first among his brother Patriarchs was just not enough. This was back when Europe ruled all the world worth ruling, so “universalism” really meant Western Civilization, and Rome was the West’s pre-eminent institution. Let us pause and think on that a moment: THE pre-eminent institution, not the academy, not the military, not the bureaucracy; Rome was in all and above all.

    With Britain, Germany, Scandinavia schismed off, a Continent exhausted in two world wars and facing severe, possibly irreversible demographic decline, Rome looks to the Global South to keep the lights on. You don’t become the Catholic Church by siding with the losers. and Europe–the ancien regime, in this context–is losing badly. Rome will become not just pro-Third World, but positively and militantly anti-West.

    I don’t know how all this will shake out. I expect the parishes will get browner, the priests more socialist, and traditional-minded whites who speak their minds will get torn to pieces. I expect a lot of them to flee.

    This is going to be way uglier than the Episcopalian shipwreck.

    • Christianity has always fundamentally been a universalistic religion though. It’s fundamentally not an identitarian religion. The universalism of universalistic religions such as Christianity and Islam is part of what gives them their psychological appeal to people. By asserting universalism, they claim supremacy and the ultimate truth and reality, which is obviously something many people yearn for.

      • Orthodox Christian ecclesiology provides for both universality and identity, where each of the traditional Sees gets their own Church, reflecting their people’s distinct national character. How that ultimately shakes out in America and other propositional States is admittedly going to be messy, but there is nothing in the Christian Tradition which wipes out nationality. In fact, the Bible attributes distinct personhood to nations.

      • There is without doubt a very necessary corrective in ecclesiological consciousness that the Catholics desperately need from Orthodoxy. Will they accept it? Well … that remains to be seen.

      • Like all mideastern religions, Christianity is morally nimble enough to pull off all kinds of magic in using tradition and scripture for various purposes.

        As far as allowing for national churches, that’s still not the same thing as an identitarian religion. It’s still fundamentally a universalistic religion. The religion is not unique or exclusive to a particular nation. The only way universalistic religions become identitarian ones as well is by assigning a unique or exalted status to a particular identity, and or relegating those not of the identity to a sub or non-human status, as in Christian Identity or Judaism.

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  4. “As far as allowing for national churches, that’s still not the same thing as an identitarian religion. ”

    I think the point is that Christianity can be universalistic and still leave room for people to be identitarian. In other words, being universalistic does not need to mean being anti-identitarian.

    • The effect of Christianity’s universalism can certainly be contained – promoting national churches would be one such method – such that particularism isn’t squelched. But it still remains a fundamentally universalistic hence non-identitarian religion.

      • I guess my point is, Christianity may be non-identitarian, but it is not anti-identitarian, that is, it is compatible with identitarianism. I don’t think that everything in life has to be reduced to “is it good for my race?” in order to care about one’s race.

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