A Serious Question

I read with great interest, today, Vox Day’s post on “The anti-Churchian Alt-Right:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-anti-christian-alt-right.html

Please do read the whole thing.

I’m never quite sure what to make of VD. He insists that he’s a Christian, but he never seems to get very specific about it.

He doesn’t seem to accept the Pope, the Archbishop of Canterbury, or any other living authority on what it means to be a Christian.

I tried to ask him for some details, today, but his blog has lately become very commenter-unfriendly. So here are my questions:

In your opinion, Vox Day, to be a Christian, which of the following propositions must one believe:

(1) God is pure act without potency.

(2) Jesus of Nazareth died on the cross.

(3) God and Jesus of Nazareth are one in substance.

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16 thoughts on “A Serious Question

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  2. I’m not Vox, but I would say that explicitly, one must believe a forth, unstated proposition: “That just was raised by God and declared to be the ruler of men.” And I would then add: one must commit to Jesus as his disciple (call that faith).

    The other ideas are, upon reflection true. And a Christian will come to believe them if trained correctly. But none seem to be explicit requirements for conversion in the New Testament.

  3. Please note that (1) above is the unambiguous doctrine of Saint Thomas, denial of which is heresy.

    And that (3) above is the unambiguous doctrine of Saint Athanasius, denial of which is also heresy.

  4. 1: You must believe in God.
    2: You must believe that Jesus is the son of God.
    3: You must believe in heaven and hell.
    4: You must believe that belief in Jesus is the only way to heaven.

    The above beliefs are almost certainly necessary if one is to be a Christian in theologically meaningful and historically consistent way.

    Finally, all of the four propositions contain assumptions or imply further commitments; for instance, if you believe that Jesus is the REAL son of God, then Mary did not conceive of Jesus with Joseph and this means that Jesus was born of a virgin, in an imaculate conception.

    • (2) What does it mean to “believe that Jesus is the son of God?” Does it mean that he was of one & the same substance with the Unmoved Mover? or is it enough to believe that he was of similar substance? Were Arius & his followers Christians? Or was he a heresiarch & they all heretics – including Constantine the Great?

      Is it enough just to mouth the words “Jesus is the son of God” without having any particular idea what those words are supposed to mean?

      • Indeed.

        As we said in the previous comment, the propositions imply other claims and commitments. Clearly, things get complicated rather quickly but then, we don’t believe in Jesus.

  5. (1) What does it mean to “believe in God?” Did Aristotle, who believed that there is, necessarily, an un-moved mover, believe in God? Did St. Thomas, who also believed in this un-moved mover, believe in God? Did Spinoza believe in God? Did Mahomet, who claimed to transcribe the word of Allah, believe in God?

    You see the difficulty, here?

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